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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:25:00 -
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There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10756
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:45:00 -
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Na Und wrote:Thank you for sharing. Is there a newsletter? I'd like to subscribe. I realize this isn't exactly a new sentiment, and that's kind of my point.
Most of the entities in this game claim to enjoy fighting to some degree more than they enjoy the trappings of success. Battle reports across the game love to crow about good fights, about killboard stats, and so on. While those particular metrics of fun or success do not generally matter to me or to most goons the alternative is a boring peace where the only action in a given day is a small roaming gang that comes through and leaves before anyone can be bothered to report it much less form up and fight it.
Fear, according to Frank Herbert's Dune, is the mind-killer. I disagree: it's boredom.
This is a game about spaceships and space men shooting each other in space! We should be moving on from the Fountain Campaign to the next. War brings with it multiple fleets per day, of various doctrines, that everyone from a day old newbie to a bitter veteran can join or command. That sort of thing is good for the game, good for the economy, good for the press, and so on. In short, everyone wins when everyone is fighting (except for the loser, but no one likes a loser anyway). War brings with it a reason to log in, a reason to have several covops and scout accounts subscribed, and in general things to do that are much more emergent and engaging than PVE content can provide.
So let's have a war! Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10756
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Posted - 2013.08.25 14:58:00 -
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Sakaron Hefdover wrote:Go shoot something then.
EDIT: I was a bit vague there, Most of the content is created by action, not sitting around. Stop being lead and start leading.
Yourself, a group, whatever, no point sitting around and doing nothing. Go live up the goonies name and kill something
Day trips across several regions of space to harass an enemy are not fun for either party.
For the aggressor, it is a long and boring slog across a huge expanse of space with the promise of maybe. Maybe the aggressor will find and kill some renters who are ratting or mining; maybe the aggressor will stumble across a home defense fleet and have a brawl; or, most likely, everyone will safe up and ignore the aggressor until they get bored and go home. This is a somewhat infrequent occurrence, exactly because it stands so likely to end in boredom. Some groups, both within my alliance and in hostile alliance, undertake covert (or overt) deployments to enemy space and hotdrop them; but, even that is a bunch of sitting around and waiting for something to maybe happen, and it is very restrictive for what else someone can be doing. Newbies especially, and those people with only a single account, are hard-pressed to find something fun to do during peacetime exactly because of this.
War on the other hand is entirely different.
Once a war effort has been mobilized, there are things to do all day every day. Most days during the Fountain Campaign there were a dozen or more fleets that were formed up, and every form up was either to attack an objective or fight a hostile fleet. You could call a war theater a target rich environment: once deployed, on a large scale, there are enough things to shoot and enough people nearby and ready to shoot them that things can be shot more often than they cannot. Whether a member of the aggressor or defender forces, a player in a war theater has things to do. And because there are things to do, more people show up and in turn there occur even more things to do.
War is great, because everyone from brand new players to seasoned line members to fleet commanders have something to do pretty much whenever they log in. Peace is boring in that the opposite is true: unless you count shooting red crosses or mining to be "something to do," there is very little to be done during peacetime. And that is mostly a consequence of how big space is: as stated above, a day trip into hostile space is a several-region trek which just seems an insurmountable wall of apathy and effort, especially when there is no clear objective other than, "maybe we will muck about and kill a few dudes but most likely they will ignore us and we will go home bored."
So let's have a war! Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10756
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:00:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Na Und wrote:Thank you for sharing. Is there a newsletter? I'd like to subscribe. I realize this isn't exactly a new sentiment, and that's kind of my point. Most of the entities in this game claim to enjoy fighting to some degree more than they enjoy the trappings of success. Battle reports across the game love to crow about good fights, about killboard stats, and so on. While those particular metrics of fun or success do not generally matter to me or to most goons the alternative is a boring peace where the only action in a given day is a small roaming gang that comes through and leaves before anyone can be bothered to report it much less form up and fight it. Fear, according to Frank Herbert's Dune, is the mind-killer. I disagree: it's boredom. This is a game about spaceships and space men shooting each other in space! We should be moving on from the Fountain Campaign to the next. War brings with it multiple fleets per day, of various doctrines, that everyone from a day old newbie to a bitter veteran can join or command. That sort of thing is good for the game, good for the economy, good for the press, and so on. In short, everyone wins when everyone is fighting (except for the loser, but no one likes a loser anyway). War brings with it a reason to log in, a reason to have several covops and scout accounts subscribed, and in general things to do that are much more emergent and engaging than PVE content can provide. So let's have a war! Talk to the business managers running your alliance. They will tell you when the next income stream presents it for exploitation. Juts hope you are getting your fair share of the rewards, or do you let said business managers tell you what is "fair"? Beyond having enough space money to keep all of my account subscribed via PLEX (~6B/mo) and pay for whatever ships I need or want, there is very little utility in having even more money. Who cares if I don't get a "fair" share of the spoils? The only thing I would do with more money than I have would be to invest it into intra-Alliance loans so that I would then have even more money that I could only possibly use to invest into other things, ad infinitum. To what end? Having even more money wouldn't exactly change my gameplay options. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10756
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:03:00 -
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Obvious Cyno wrote:Why not deploy CFC squads south to mess around in catch with triple A and tribe? Or Providence with NCDotte? Deploying squads is a bit different than a war, in terms of logistics and scale. Squads are fun for those involved, but for the people who are not in them or who do not know about them (for example, my much-beloved newbies) they are a black box. Wars are big and flashy and everyone knows exactly what to do, even the newbies who don't know what kind of ammo to put in their warp scrambler. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10763
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:06:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. Were you winning too fast? Or simply expanded faster than you could make new frenemies? You could thank RAZOR for kicking IRC down and out of Cobalt Edge, there goes your funny-stream. I try not to blame people, because almost always I do not have full information about a situation; and, even if I did, blaming people doesn't exactly foster useful dialog.
This is not a thread about blame. This is a thread about solutions!
And there can be only one solution: War. Surely your own compatriots have more fun when they are in the midst of a war than they do when they are AFK-ratting anomalies, or fielding huge mining fleets. Regardless of the fact that our alliances are not on friendly terms, you and I are alike in that we both play this video game; and, I am willing to bet, we both find the game more engrossing and enjoyable when there are many things to do and many things to shoot. Is this not true of you, as well of me? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10763
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:07:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote: Beyond having enough space money to keep all of my account subscribed via PLEX (~6B/mo) and pay for whatever ships I need or want, there is very little utility in having even more money. Who cares if I don't get a "fair" share of the spoils? The only thing I would do with more money than I have would be to invest it into intra-Alliance loans so that I would then have even more money that I could only possibly use to invest into other things, ad infinitum. To what end? Having even more money wouldn't exactly change my gameplay options.
So umm I dunno if you've heard but I've found a new fluctuation in isk transfer variables which allows me to double your isk and maybe triple it if you send over 1bil See above: having more isk would not afford me greater utility.
Work your space magic on someone else. Perhaps if you team up with Erotica 1, then the two of you can combine your powers of ISK-doubling to generate a reverse polarity causal loop of infinite wealth for everyone!
... At which point, I would still like a war. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10780
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:18:00 -
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Anna Karhunen wrote:So... go talk to your superiors and Goons and get that war rolling. Shouting for it here in General Discussion won't get you anywhere. You know, for a change of pace someone else could be the aggressor. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10780
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:19:00 -
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The Aristocrats Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10780
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:23:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Juts hope you are getting your fair share of the rewards, or do you let said business managers tell you what is "fair"?
Juts out of curiosity, what division would you think I should deserve? I realize you do not trust my space bosses to tally up the right numbers, so I would love to see your breakdown over who should be given what.
For my part in the war, I think 15% is fair. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10780
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:27:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Anna Karhunen wrote:So... go talk to your superiors and Goons and get that war rolling. Shouting for it here in General Discussion won't get you anywhere. You know, for a change of pace someone else could be the aggressor. Well, N3 does exist to destroy GSF. They came through in a HAC gang yesterday, but by the time I'd heard of it they were gone.
And this is exactly illustrative of the problem I am describing. Those guys came through looking for a fight. What did they get? I think they killed one cyno ship, and one guy in a shuttle. Had they lingered, I would have been happy to fight them. But why should they linger? They have no reason to believe that by lingering they will meet a relatively even force, and every minute they linger is another minute of boredom for them.
War fixes this by presenting the aggressor with a forward base near enough to the enemy that brawls can happen. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10780
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:34:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Na Und wrote:Thank you for sharing. Is there a newsletter? I'd like to subscribe. I realize this isn't exactly a new sentiment, and that's kind of my point. Most of the entities in this game claim to enjoy fighting to some degree more than they enjoy the trappings of success. Battle reports across the game love to crow about good fights, about killboard stats, and so on. While those particular metrics of fun or success do not generally matter to me or to most goons the alternative is a boring peace where the only action in a given day is a small roaming gang that comes through and leaves before anyone can be bothered to report it much less form up and fight it. Fear, according to Frank Herbert's Dune, is the mind-killer. I disagree: it's boredom. This is a game about spaceships and space men shooting each other in space! We should be moving on from the Fountain Campaign to the next. War brings with it multiple fleets per day, of various doctrines, that everyone from a day old newbie to a bitter veteran can join or command. That sort of thing is good for the game, good for the economy, good for the press, and so on. In short, everyone wins when everyone is fighting (except for the loser, but no one likes a loser anyway). War brings with it a reason to log in, a reason to have several covops and scout accounts subscribed, and in general things to do that are much more emergent and engaging than PVE content can provide. So let's have a war! Talk to the business managers running your alliance. They will tell you when the next income stream presents it for exploitation. Juts hope you are getting your fair share of the rewards, or do you let said business managers tell you what is "fair"? Beyond having enough space money to keep all of my account subscribed via PLEX (~6B/mo) and pay for whatever ships I need or want, there is very little utility in having even more money. Who cares if I don't get a "fair" share of the spoils? The only thing I would do with more money than I have would be to invest it into intra-Alliance loans so that I would then have even more money that I could only possibly use to invest into other things, ad infinitum. To what end? Having even more money wouldn't exactly change my gameplay options. Interesting...your business managers seem to have a different opinion about the acquisition of in-game wealth. Perhaps they have different uses for it than you. Definitely! Our business managers have to allocate funds for subsidized capitals (we're too poor to afford supercapitals), reimbursement programs, staggeringly high sov bills, fuel for jump bridges and pos, etc. As for me? A few billion ISK more per month would just increase the number in my wallet. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10780
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Posted - 2013.08.25 15:43:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Don't you have your own forums that might be viewed by upper managment?
I mean there is nothing wrong telling GD, but I don't think it will acheive anything other than "Grrr Goons" posts. I am curious as to why you think only one party (GSF) needs to be addressed here. There are numerous other entities who might choose to be the aggressor against GSF, which a post on our internal forums would not address. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10789
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Posted - 2013.08.25 16:01:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Blueballing is the most effective strategy in the game. You're fighting a war right now and you don't even realize it! I am sure that between my ten accounts I will be strung up as a war criminal on the day the Guristas Pirates finally depose us from VFK. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10884
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:27:00 -
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Osileon Yoshimeru wrote:tldr:
Just make some mock wars. Im sure you can sacrifice a few supers.
You said it yourself how spoils of war is great and all. Do some fleet training and burn some of that isk off while you wait for next war. You can try out new tactics and stuff you weren't really sure of doing during a real war. We could probably organize some intra-CFC brawls, but they would necessarily be limited in scope and size. Neither side of a mock war would want to fully escalate, because doing so depletes real assets which might at any time need to be marshaled against a real aggressor. You can understand why this is not an attractive option. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10884
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:27:00 -
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Durlan Katz wrote:Is this just a thinly veiled, "Come At Me Bro," then? Umad? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10884
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:32:00 -
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Tron 3K wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Anna Karhunen wrote:So... go talk to your superiors and Goons and get that war rolling. Shouting for it here in General Discussion won't get you anywhere. You know, for a change of pace someone else could be the aggressor. Yes who wants to take their shot at a blob.. Maybe break up your alliance and duke it out with them for fun. Why you need all those people anyways. Lots of people want to take a shot at the blob. Plenty of folks fought against us in Fountain. And on the other side of space, plenty of folks are fighting a blob just as big as the CFC. "The blob," honestly, is a tired line and has been since its first utterance as a rationalization for cognitive dissonance and logistical failure. Employing as many people as you can muster to fight a common foe is a simple element of strategy that has served humanity forever, and it is no different in the pretend space future. But perhaps you are right: perhaps we have become victims of our own successful diplomacy. We shall see what the future holds. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10884
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:33:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. Then instead of setting people blue and paying them a ton of isk i.e BL, try killing them instead :) BL was never blue to us; in fact, they have negative standings. We just had Elo Knight and company try to hotdrop an AFK ratting carrier in Deklein today, and they were chased off by fellow ratters who came to his rescue when he heard his shield alarm. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10884
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:37:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Sakaron Hefdover wrote:Go shoot something then.
EDIT: I was a bit vague there, Most of the content is created by action, not sitting around. Stop being lead and start leading.
Yourself, a group, whatever, no point sitting around and doing nothing. Go live up the goonies name and kill something Day trips across several regions of space to harass an enemy are not fun for either party. For the aggressor, it is a long and boring slog across a huge expanse of space with the promise of maybe. Maybe the aggressor will find and kill some renters who are ratting or mining; maybe the aggressor will stumble across a home defense fleet and have a brawl; or, most likely, everyone will safe up and ignore the aggressor until they get bored and go home. This is a somewhat infrequent occurrence, exactly because it stands so likely to end in boredom. Some groups, both within my alliance and in hostile alliance, undertake covert (or overt) deployments to enemy space and hotdrop them; but, even that is a bunch of sitting around and waiting for something to maybe happen, and it is very restrictive for what else someone can be doing. Newbies especially, and those people with only a single account, are hard-pressed to find something fun to do during peacetime exactly because of this. War on the other hand is entirely different. Once a war effort has been mobilized, there are things to do all day every day. Most days during the Fountain Campaign there were a dozen or more fleets that were formed up, and every form up was either to attack an objective or fight a hostile fleet. You could call a war theater a target rich environment: once deployed, on a large scale, there are enough things to shoot and enough people nearby and ready to shoot them that things can be shot more often than they cannot. Whether a member of the aggressor or defender forces, a player in a war theater has things to do. And because there are things to do, more people show up and in turn there occur even more things to do. War is great, because everyone from brand new players to seasoned line members to fleet commanders have something to do pretty much whenever they log in. Peace is boring in that the opposite is true: unless you count shooting red crosses or mining to be "something to do," there is very little to be done during peacetime. And that is mostly a consequence of how big space is: as stated above, a day trip into hostile space is a several-region trek which just seems an insurmountable wall of apathy and effort, especially when there is no clear objective other than, "maybe we will muck about and kill a few dudes but most likely they will ignore us and we will go home bored." So let's have a war! On a scale of 1 to 10, how much would you mind losing this war and seeing your alliance and coalition dismantled? Goonfleet/waffe/swarm/platoon has endured a lot throughout its history, and while it would undoubtedly make many people uncomfortable I don't think a lost war -- even one that caused the CFC to fracture -- would drive goons from the game. The worst case scenario for me is that I would go play some other game with goons rather than EVE Online; but, I don't think the goon guild in EVE would just give up and disband as a result of a lost war. We rally behind war and hardship, because that gives us a reason to log in and a cause to grit out teeth and fight for. Maybe you have some secret information that I don't about some existential threat to GSF or the CFC? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10884
|
Posted - 2013.08.26 04:38:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. just blast spacemonkeys, you should execute a corp in the CFC to assure the others don't mess with you... its evil but it has to be done from time to time to assure you don't lock like softies, nullsec has to be ruled with an iron fist to keep it under control
But if we looked big and mean, then we might scare you away. And we can't have that! Space friends? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10884
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:46:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. Thought you folks were conducting some sort of economic "warfare", a la nitropes and such ? Not quite the same thing, I know, but I do understand what a pain it is when "we threw a war, and nobody showed up".
I have done an awful lot of mining in the past few weeks, a good portion of it ice. I am certainly appreciating the better prices wrought by the economic warfare and ice interdiction. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10884
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:49:00 -
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Spergie Scrublord wrote:The OP, a member of the most powerful alliance in the game - the one that openly and proudly scams, schemes, backstabs and does whatever it can at any opportunity - should truly go down in the history books as the best example ever of the worst case of EVE Online's First World Problems. S/he is no doubt here on the forums presenting her case to subtly prepare us for TheMittani's next big declaration of whatever he has planned. Just a hunch, because this overblown piece of ridiculous writing smells of -- something.
I am not an official source for Goonswarm, nor do I write for TMC, nor am I otherwise (to my knowledge) a mouthpiece. I would love for you to be right, though! To have some new offensive announced within the next few days would make me happy as a clam.
Quote:If not, nay I suggest to the OP that making an alt and sending it to Syndicate, where it is constant war with no reasons needed, might relieve her boredom.
Hell, for a serious reality check, drop out of Goonswarm and play the game like the pubbies do. ***gaaaaaaasp*** You may not be aware, but GSF actually has a pretty good presence in Syndicate. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10884
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:49:00 -
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Ioci wrote:You might want to get used to it.
No PvP consortium has the time or desire to go head to head with GSF in a decade old game for a Dotlan empire. They are too well entrenched. Even if GSF implodes, they will be replaced with a cookie cutter version of it. The game is stale. It took a decade. Most games out there take six months to get where EVE is now in terms of repeat playability.
I recall these same hollow words being said about the NC, and about the fledgling CFC.
I doubt they are any truer now. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10884
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:52:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote: Day trips across several regions of space to harass an enemy are not fun for either party.
I went through all the post to be sure nobody had mentioned this already. I would think between GSF, CFC and those set to blue with these alliances and coalition that you would have an extensive bridge network setup so that getting from 1 side of the game map to the other would be nearly effortless. Even a jump bridge express route represents many jumps and no staging system endpoint. It takes something at the alliance or coalition level to properly set up a staging system, to marshal people and supplies, etc. Wars do that. Day trips and temporary deployments do not. You can see why I yearn for the former, and am not satisfied by the latter. Fleets all day, every day in wartime is the name of the game. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10884
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:53:00 -
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Nanuuk33 wrote:Maybe if you didn't have a blue list the size of santa's naughty list, you might have more people to war against. We have no lack of potential hostiles. What we lack if a wartime deployment, or an invasion. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10884
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:54:00 -
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Sol Kal'orr wrote:If you want a war, start a war.
I don't think I'm allowed to willfully start a diplomatic incident. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10912
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:56:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:The Baby-sitter wrote:No hate intended - but the CFC has made EvE boring. Soo attack the cfc? Why does all of 0.0 revolve around the cfc?
This is curious to me, too. Why does every suggestion in this thread come back to what the CFC should do? Is there no one left in EVE Online who wants to do things for "the lulz," or for the "good fights," or whatever else people are calling fun these days? Surely among the various entities still hostile to the CFC, and to GSF particularly, one of them would like to step up to the plate and show that they have the courage, and the competency, to match their convictions? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10912
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:57:00 -
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Isaac Collins wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. Declare war on eve, Start destroying every poco you see, you're bound to ruffle some jimmies and get the blood flowing again. Who even cares about pocos? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10926
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Posted - 2013.08.27 01:02:00 -
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beep boop SiegeBot 9000 online Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10936
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Posted - 2013.08.27 14:40:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:Sorry, as an independent, there isn't much I can do to affect CFC that much. I did give you a valid suggestion, but you seemed to have ignored it. Seriously. Have a civil war.
Civil war would require there to be a cohesive faction within GSF or the CFC which is loyal to itself but disloyal to the whole. While such a faction is undoubtedly possible, I have not heard of it; moreover, if such a faction did exist it would have to be better than the best diplomatic and counterintelligence teams in the game at diplomacy and counterintelligence. That's a tall order. There arises an issue that the fledgling faction would most likely be snuffed out, its instigators and collaborators excised before it could develop into a large movement. Such an entity would have to materialize out of whole cloth, which is honestly unreasonable.
Quote:You guys know each other's tactics. You know your capabilities. You know where you're weak. The challenge of updating your tactics, ferreting out your weaknesses, and shoring up your capabilities against a foe who is intimately familiar with you will likely make you very happy. It will be the mother of all challenges.
You speak as though each entity in the CFC is entirely independent of each other. This is false. Rather than each entity in the CFC being a variably-sized copy of its neighbor, each alliance and corporation tends to have different specialties. Goonwaffe is of course the posting backbone of the entire CFC, while Wildly Inappropriate bears the burden of being the CFC's worst posters. Certain corporations have vastly more supercapitals than others, both per capita and in absolute numbers; certain corporations, or even entire alliances, completely lack veteran fleet commanders; some have very well-developed logistical arms and production infrastructures in place, while others are entirely focused on fielding small gangs of cloaking ships behind enemy lines; and so on. Knowing each other's capabilities would certainly be an advantage to a civil war, but it is also a great deterrent to war within the CFC: through cooperation, these specialized entities are capable of doing more, both in terms of total numbers and in terms of competence in various activities, than any of them individually could.
Quote:Incidentally, what is a "poco"? "Poco" is short for the Customs Offices each planet has, for picking up PI products. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:This is curious to me, too. Why does every suggestion in this thread come back to what the CFC should do? Is there no one left in EVE Online who wants to do things for "the lulz," or for the "good fights," or whatever else people are calling fun these days? I think, if the rest of the CFC thought as you express, there would be plenty. Not that your CVA-style "siegefleets" and the plenthora of "deny fun, make them suffer" is a bad tactic if you want to grind SOV., but if you want the war as badly as you're saying here then maybe realise that it's a game for the rest of us - a game we'd like to be fun. I gave you the long-ish form back on page 1 or 2, but that is the gist of it. Winning yourself to death is an odd phrase, but I think it applies to your personal wants and needs.
Within the CFC we have limited fleet size when certain fleet commanders have arranged "honor brawls," or "good fights," against a particular enemy commander. For much of the Fountain Campaign, we intentionally limited fleet size to allow us to actually get fights with the roaming gangs, so that we could spare ourselves from what TEST line members called, "The Archie," in which one particular fleet commander would routinely form up, take his fleet towards our staging area, and then immediately stand down if he was presented with equal numbers or a doctrine that could reasonably engage him. We gave the enemy fights, just to have something to do, and we were able to do that because our enemy's staging point was close to our staging point. We could each form up a fleet, throw it at each other's stragglers and ratters, and then either engage or flee from the enemy's fleet.
But when it came down to big fights, we both did our best to win. We each called for global broadcasts among our allies, and we both made big boasts about how big our fleets would be. We could do this because we were each big entities, and yet despite the fact that we were big we were somehow able to have not only fights but also an entire 2-month war. Fun was had by all, even the losers, because losing in a space battle is more fun than mining or shooting rats. The idea that we cannot get fights and cannot provoke a war based on our size or our tactics is provably misguided. All it would take would be for the aggressor, be it the CFC or an enemy, to forge a beachhead in the other's space to use as a staging point.
Arguments in this vein are analogous to arguments against, "the blob," which have cropped up on these forums for the entirety of the time that I've been playing. Blah blah blah, dishonorable blobbers, yadda yadda. So what? In the past five years that I have been reading these forums, fights have happened and history has been made, in spite of and arguably because of, "the blob." Anyone who fights, and who isn't an Empire mission runner on a day trip through low sec, is in it to win. Whether it is a single engagement, a faction warfare objective, the battles for a single system, or an entire war theater, people are trying to win and one of the simplest and most historically valuable elements available to humans is to throw more people at the problem. Whether or not that creates a problem, and whether or not removing that tendency would help to resolve it, is irrelevant: people are not going to intentionally hobble themselves by limiting fleet, alliance, or coalition size when things matter. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Anthony Blunt wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:
Winning yourself to death is an odd phrase, but I think it applies to your personal wants and needs.
No that is not it, not really. The OP is here to gloat, nothing more nothing less. It is nauseating but there is no logical response to this breast beating.
As a member of Theta Squad in good standing I would never abuse a bosom. You wound me with such accusations! Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Andski wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Not that your CVA-style "siegefleets" and the plenthora of "deny fun, make them suffer" is a bad tactic if you want to grind SOV., but if you want the war as badly as you're saying here then maybe realise that it's a game for the rest of us - a game we'd like to be fun. Your trash-tier alliance would never have committed a single capital or supercapital in Fountain without riding shotgun for NCdot with PL on standby. Siegefleets are just as effective as supercarriers because the end result is a timer, whether it takes 10 minutes or 90.
Not to mention the fact that Siege Fleet engages more people across a wider range of experience with the game, and also provides even brand new players the joy of smugly posting a 50 Cent gif in local when defends show up and we bridge out to another system 15 jumps away. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Grozen wrote:You want a new war and a new agressor well one thing can help with those goals, you can post here how much profit(in ISK) you make from holding your space after fees, fuel, taxes and everything else.If the numbers are good enough I'm sure eventually someone will decide to go after you, but if they suck you might be better not posting anything I am not a GSF/CFC director or finance guy, so I have no idea how much money we make. It's enough to keep me and other active FCs salaried through PLEX, and it's enough to fund a bunch of other nice programs, and it's enough to hold all of our space, and so on. Folks who do PVE in nullsec are individually capable of around 100 million ISK per hour, but that says nothing to how valuable it would be for an individual corporation or alliance to own any given amount of space. The costs of fuel and sovereignty and other infrastructure concerns are the affairs of folks far more invested in spreadsheets than am I. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Andski wrote:You're clearly not up to speed so let me help you get there: IT Alliance, the NC and SoCo all went down despite those things all existing and giving them what you seem to believe is an insurmountable advantage All I know is that I'm not going to organize 10,000 people (many of which I can't stand) to lead a crusade in an internet spaceship game to defeat an opponent I am, for the most part, indifferent towards. Not unless somebody wants to pay me real currency. Then you blatantly do not understand the mindset of people who lead alliances, coalitions, or fleets. Or for that matter, guilds, raids, platoons, or whatever other collective groups appear in other games. People like to lead, even when it is leading to do a thing they might not have a personal investment in, because being a leader is fun. Being able to look at a map, or a DPS chart, or a battle report, or an Arena Rating, or some purple pixels, or a flashy title over your elf's head, and say, "I did that," is nice. Being able to be provably good at your chosen hobby, to be able to laugh at scrubs like yourself and say, "hate me because I am better than you," and point to your dilz, is a great feeling that feeds the egos of people across all age groups and across all MMOs. Ask me about my 2v2 rating of 2300; ask me about my top lane Jax; ask me about my no scope 420 fps skills; ask me about how I led fleets for 12 hours a day for two months; and so on. These are things that people take pride in, even if they're not provably very good at it, because they like to think themselves better.
And other people are just altruistic. They do it because they know it will help the group. On my friend's minecraft server, I will log on for a couple of hours and just go exploring and mining then deposit a bunch of ore in a chest and log off. It's fun for me, because I know I am helping and that I am contributing to other people's fun whom I care about. I swapped my sleep schedule around from playing in USTZ to leading Siege Fleets in AUTZ, because I knew that our coalition was weak in that time zone and that I could help. I feel good about it. Getting some PLEX per month to keep me from having to stop leading fleets and go farm rats is a nice gesture, but it's nothing like the RMT salary you seem to think exists.
I wonder if perhaps you are Gevlon Goblin. Your lack of understanding of human motivations resembles him. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Anthony Blunt wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:
Winning yourself to death is an odd phrase, but I think it applies to your personal wants and needs.
No that is not it, not really. The OP is here to gloat, nothing more nothing less. It is nauseating but there is no logical response to this breast beating. I'm giving the OP the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you're right, maybe not. Let's withhold judgement for a little. @Andski: You're cute. Andski used to be cute, but then he grew up and decided that GSF was too good for Rifters.
:condi: :condi: :condi: Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Kinis Deren wrote:How ironic can the OP get, or was it all just smug bullship and troll post I wonder?
Now, if GSF collectively grew a pair and shed the meat shield and sycophants it has surrounded itself with, then maybe you might get more fights. At the same time, how about not paying off (or attempting to) any group that is a thorn in your side. LOL, Goon Sycophants Federation is quite fitting for the CFC
But you already know this and are fearful of the consequences of such actions. Your inglorious leader prefers the meta game over actual game content, so nothing will change in the short to medium term.
OP, just on the off chance your concerns are genuine, then I suggest, whilst you seek content in high sec, you go whine on the SA forums and see what kind of response you get there, because posting on EVE-O GD isn't going to get you what you want.
Again the popular response to there being no war involving the CFC seems to be that the CFC should start a war. What the hell? I don't know if you're trying to covertly be a goon sycophant yourself or if you're really this stupid, but you are effectively just ruling out any chance that there exists any other entity in the game that has the competence or the wherewithal to attack, and by correlation to endure being attacked by, the CFC. Is that your position, that the CFC is an invincible blob? I would hope that's not the case, and that other entities with similar size and superior supercapital numbers are not just paper tigers. Do you have some secret intel on N3 or PL that you'd like to divulge in that regard? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Andski wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:How ironic can the OP get, or was it all just smug bullship and troll post I wonder?
Now, if GSF collectively grew a pair and shed the meat shield and sycophants it has surrounded itself with, then maybe you might get more fights. At the same time, how about not paying off (or attempting to) any group that is a thorn in your side. LOL, Goon Sycophants Federation is quite fitting for the CFC
But you already know this and are fearful of the consequences of such actions. Your inglorious leader prefers the meta game over actual game content, so nothing will change in the short to medium term.
OP, just on the off chance your concerns are genuine, then I suggest, whilst you seek content in high sec, you go whine on the SA forums and see what kind of response you get there, because posting on EVE-O GD isn't going to get you what you want. "you should create game content by simply opening yourselves up to get mopped up like TEST" Any other amazing ideas?
As the finishing touch we should declare ourselves to have never liked any of our allies anyway and to have always despised the way they treated us. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Kinis Deren wrote:Andski wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:How ironic can the OP get, or was it all just smug bullship and troll post I wonder?
Now, if GSF collectively grew a pair and shed the meat shield and sycophants it has surrounded itself with, then maybe you might get more fights. At the same time, how about not paying off (or attempting to) any group that is a thorn in your side. LOL, Goon Sycophants Federation is quite fitting for the CFC
But you already know this and are fearful of the consequences of such actions. Your inglorious leader prefers the meta game over actual game content, so nothing will change in the short to medium term.
OP, just on the off chance your concerns are genuine, then I suggest, whilst you seek content in high sec, you go whine on the SA forums and see what kind of response you get there, because posting on EVE-O GD isn't going to get you what you want. "you should create game content by simply opening yourselves up to get mopped up like TEST" Any other amazing ideas? The "sky marshall of your heart" was the one QQ'ing about lack of content. If you have a problem speak to him/her. I merely offered the simple solution of removing that cotton wool comforter you have yourselves wrapped up in. But, you and I both know that will never happen vOv
Quick correction: it's sky captain, not sky marshal. Do not overstate my importance.
Rydis will always be the Sky Marshal of our hearts. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Harry Forever wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. just blast spacemonkeys, you should execute a corp in the CFC to assure the others don't mess with you... its evil but it has to be done from time to time to assure you don't lock like softies, nullsec has to be ruled with an iron fist to keep it under control But if we looked big and mean, then we might scare you away. And we can't have that! Space friends? thanks for making a big chatbox out of the game
Don't you go blaming me for EVE's terrible interface design!
You sure are ungrateful after all the time Theta Squad has spent trying to teach you how to gank people. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Khemax wrote:I thought you guys were going to kill test off...as I see it test is still out there in numbers. Make it your new war to not take tests systems but actually kill them off completely. 8k+ members is still loads fo targets to kill Or if you want a real battle make it your task in life to kill off BL or PL (Sorry guys just the first names that came to mind) Plenty of targets out there
War against BL or PL would be a pretty awesome thing. It will happen eventually, I am sure. I look forward to it.
But for now, killing TEST off is not really a campaign of the sort I am wanting. As they live in low sec and have no assets in space to defend, this amounts to camping an undock for hours on end without bubbles while carriers play station games. I understand that some folks in Empire find that sort of game play fun, e.g., the wardec corps that hound the Jita undock, but it is not something you mobilize a large coalition to do and field large fleets to accomplish. We could easily camp the undock with a few hundred dudes for a while, but TEST would have no incentive to undock and we would just be wasting each other's time for nothing. Real wars are fought when one or both sides have an incentive to fight, because they have something to lose or gain. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Tron 3K wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Tron 3K wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Anna Karhunen wrote:So... go talk to your superiors and Goons and get that war rolling. Shouting for it here in General Discussion won't get you anywhere. You know, for a change of pace someone else could be the aggressor. Yes who wants to take their shot at a blob.. Maybe break up your alliance and duke it out with them for fun. Why you need all those people anyways. Lots of people want to take a shot at the blob. Plenty of folks fought against us in Fountain. And on the other side of space, plenty of folks are fighting a blob just as big as the CFC. "The blob," honestly, is a tired line and has been since its first utterance as a rationalization for cognitive dissonance and logistical failure. Employing as many people as you can muster to fight a common foe is a simple element of strategy that has served humanity forever, and it is no different in the pretend space future. But perhaps you are right: perhaps we have become victims of our own successful diplomacy. We shall see what the future holds. If there are all these fights against your "blob" then why *****? Stupid..... and quit trying to use big words it doesn't work for you.
Because there isn't a fight right now. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Andski wrote:"you should create game content by simply opening yourselves up to get mopped up like TEST"
Any other amazing ideas? I take it that you still haven't throughout read the topic at hand? Your posts seem to indicate either that, or a massive confusion as to the identities of posters such as Lyris Nairn. Still, your strong-man-show at not reading topics is cute.
Andski has seen my contributions on Goonfleet dot com, and knows me pretty well. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Tron 3K wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:The Baby-sitter wrote:No hate intended - but the CFC has made EvE boring. Soo attack the cfc? Why does all of 0.0 revolve around the cfc? This is curious to me, too. Why does every suggestion in this thread come back to what the CFC should do? Is there no one left in EVE Online who wants to do things for "the lulz," or for the "good fights," or whatever else people are calling fun these days? Surely among the various entities still hostile to the CFC, and to GSF particularly, one of them would like to step up to the plate and show that they have the courage, and the competency, to match their convictions? People that you are referring to are having fun by playing the game and not creating ridiculously dumb posts on the GD forums. Of course, the people I am referring to prefer CAOD and Kugu. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Ka'Narlist wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:You know, for a change of pace someone else could be the aggressor. And there I thought we were the aggressors in the last war, at least thats what was claimed. PS: About your isk problem, I could use a Capital ships and a Armarr or Caldari carrier skill book
I honestly have no idea what the war happened. I'm just glad it did! Gave me a reason to resub and play.
As to your ISK problems, I am not in the habit of gifting things to folks who are not either newbies or Thetas. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Debora Tsung wrote:OP, you could always pay some mercs to fight you. Not the perfect solution, but if lots of people do that it might just be fun enough. and the best part is: any isk you happen to earn can be spend to hire more mercs.
The only way you make money in a war is if you are taking assets that generate income; e.g., moons, systems to rent.
How exactly would you suggest we make money off of fighting mercenaries whom we are paying? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:31:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:
This is curious to me, too. Why does every suggestion in this thread come back to what the CFC should do? Is there no one left in EVE Online who wants to do things for "the lulz," or for the "good fights," or whatever else people are calling fun these days?
You miss us already, don't you? That's so sweet. GÖÑ
You have no idea!
I personally hold no animosity against TEST, because I was not subscribed during whatever led up to the Fountain war. When last I played EVE prior to this war, TEST was part of the CFC and helping us defend VFK against an attempted head shot by the forces of elite PVP. Prior to that, TEST was part of the coalition that took Fountain from IT Alliance. I have no clue what created bad blood between our alliances, but it's not my concern as to why some entity is red. It's just my concern to shoot it. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Random Majere wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:OP, you could always pay some mercs to fight you. Not the perfect solution, but if lots of people do that it might just be fun enough. and the best part is: any isk you happen to earn can be spend to hire more mercs. I imagine gaming websites talking about Eve, and describing how the most powerful coalition in the game needs to pay mercs to attack them in order to "create content" for its members. I am sure this would help attract many new players to Eve Online!
Your acerbic wit is galling. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Random Majere wrote:I imagine gaming websites talking about Eve, and describing how the most powerful coalition in the game needs to pay mercs to attack them in order to "create content" for its members. I am sure this would help attract many new players to Eve Online! Only because you didn't imagine it on TMDC first, EVEs premier source of filtered news. They'd put the best spin available on it, sell it to CCP and get percentages. I love the smell of spinned news in the morning, it smells like ... Politics!
How exactly would you spin, "There is no reason for anyone to generate content in EVE Online?" Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Mellisa Jade wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. Fairly sure US/UK/FR Forces will be going head to head with Russian and Chinese troops in Syria any day now. Hold onto your hats. Things are about to get FUBAR.
You vastly misunderstand the geopolitical reality. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Khadi Nakrar wrote:Well grow a pair of big hairy balls, reset all blues, start shooting around.
TEST proved that is definitely one way to generate content, so I suppose there is that. And they claimed the entire time that their members were having fun, so I guess I can't really knock it. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:35:00 -
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William Walker wrote:Mellisa Jade wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. Fairly sure US/UK/FR Forces will be going head to head with Russian and Chinese troops in Syria any day now. Hold onto your hats. Things are about to get FUBAR. It's so crazy. Why would Assad and his army, clearly with the upper hand in the war against the Islamist rebels, use chemical weapons? It would be an invitation to give other, western, countries and excuse to march in there and dispose of Assad. It's not like they aren't already supporting the rebels. "Humanitarian" my ass. Do you think a ragtag team of rebels from, not only Syria, but Iran, Egypt, Morocco, even Germany, France and Belgium, fighting for an Islamic caliphate in Syria, would have any idea how to make chemical weapons? Let alone use them effectively? And why do you think the UN was being shot at when they tried to get on the site of the supposed regime-executed chemical attack? So they don't find out the truth. Syria - our little puppet of the '10s. Iraq was the '00s. Serbia the '90s. Afghanistan the '80s. It goes on and on. Just now, SPIEGEL.de, a brittle facade of journalism of what it once was, declared that Syria could "also potentially support Lebanon with biological or chemical weapons". See how the media tries to influence us? "Also support" as if they were already using them! Ridiculous!
We are getting a little off the topic of space ships and space wars. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:36:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:[quote=William Walker] Yay mercs! I'd be looking forward to mass small gang roaming events and... uuuh... ran out of steam there. But mass small gang roaming still sounds like fun.
Why is it that after every major nullsec war there is a resurgence of people praising ~wulfpax~ on the forums? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. Nothing is stopping you from starting one. Enjoy it.
I am doing my best to goad someone into attacking us. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Isaac Collins wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. Declare war on eve, Start destroying every poco you see, you're bound to ruffle some jimmies and get the blood flowing again. Who even cares about pocos? Anyone that produces or uses tech II, pos fuels and any other items that require planetary produced items?
Is there such a bottleneck that any one region of space is worth taking for its planet resources? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:38:00 -
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Rekon X wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. Yea, war. Especially since you outnumber anyone you would go up against at about 10 to 1. I hear a lot about carebears in this game, but you can't get any more carebear than this:
What means this word, "carebear?" Is it something to fight a war over? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:39:00 -
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Tron 3K wrote: Don't bad mouth elite pvpers!
VFK by Summer 2012! Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 15:40:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Well, the precedent is Alexander weeping because he had no more worlds to conquer. Same for Genghis Khan's successor Khans, more or less. If you build your empire through fighting, peace becomes boredom and stagnation. So, if following history, the next stage should be stagnation, then the outbreak of a vicious internal power struggle, and eventually a split into smaller rival factions. If not at war with each other, than at least despising each other as traitors. How about giving it a try, GSF/CFC? Could be fun. BTW, bummer that our high sec guerillas ops aren't providing sufficient entertainment yet. We're working on it, but the effects are still pretty much limited to local individual CFC members....
From what I have seen, the Ice Interdiction is keeping plenty of folks entertained during certain hours. The problem from my perspective is that it is just a temporary, niche thing. I suppose that one could define a war similarly, but, meh. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:09:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Sakaron Hefdover wrote:Go shoot something then.
EDIT: I was a bit vague there, Most of the content is created by action, not sitting around. Stop being lead and start leading.
Yourself, a group, whatever, no point sitting around and doing nothing. Go live up the goonies name and kill something Day trips across several regions of space to harass an enemy are not fun for either party. For the aggressor, it is a long and boring slog across a huge expanse of space with the promise of maybe. Maybe the aggressor will find and kill some renters who are ratting or mining; maybe the aggressor will stumble across a home defense fleet and have a brawl; or, most likely, everyone will safe up and ignore the aggressor until they get bored and go home. This is a somewhat infrequent occurrence, exactly because it stands so likely to end in boredom. Some groups, both within my alliance and in hostile alliance, undertake covert (or overt) deployments to enemy space and hotdrop them; but, even that is a bunch of sitting around and waiting for something to maybe happen, and it is very restrictive for what else someone can be doing. Newbies especially, and those people with only a single account, are hard-pressed to find something fun to do during peacetime exactly because of this. War on the other hand is entirely different. Once a war effort has been mobilized, there are things to do all day every day. Most days during the Fountain Campaign there were a dozen or more fleets that were formed up, and every form up was either to attack an objective or fight a hostile fleet. You could call a war theater a target rich environment: once deployed, on a large scale, there are enough things to shoot and enough people nearby and ready to shoot them that things can be shot more often than they cannot. Whether a member of the aggressor or defender forces, a player in a war theater has things to do. And because there are things to do, more people show up and in turn there occur even more things to do. War is great, because everyone from brand new players to seasoned line members to fleet commanders have something to do pretty much whenever they log in. Peace is boring in that the opposite is true: unless you count shooting red crosses or mining to be "something to do," there is very little to be done during peacetime. And that is mostly a consequence of how big space is: as stated above, a day trip into hostile space is a several-region trek which just seems an insurmountable wall of apathy and effort, especially when there is no clear objective other than, "maybe we will muck about and kill a few dudes but most likely they will ignore us and we will go home bored." So let's have a war! On a scale of 1 to 10, how much would you mind losing this war and seeing your alliance and coalition dismantled? Goonfleet/waffe/swarm/platoon has endured a lot throughout its history, and while it would undoubtedly make many people uncomfortable I don't think a lost war -- even one that caused the CFC to fracture -- would drive goons from the game. The worst case scenario for me is that I would go play some other game with goons rather than EVE Online; but, I don't think the goon guild in EVE would just give up and disband as a result of a lost war. We rally behind war and hardship, because that gives us a reason to log in and a cause to grit out teeth and fight for. Maybe you have some secret information that I don't about some existential threat to GSF or the CFC? The question was more towards if you would care if you lost all your space. After being on the losing side of two sov wars, it isn't fun (unless you don't care about losing everything you and your friends have worked for). Do you care if you lose your space and assets that might be trapped? Are you willing to help friends and compatriots flee from the ruins of what was once your home region should you end up on the losing side? Even if the Swarm never disbands and Goonwaffe avoids being Kartoon'd again, how many will stick alongside you if you end up on the losing side of a war, and will you still stay with them if you lose all of the sov you have enjoyed for it's spoils and get to experience the joy of NPC nullsec? My point being in this wall of text is that losing sucks unless you don't care; and if you don't care about losing and are ready to fight, then you either have to shed the blues beside of you or fight another coalition. Goonswarm is the largest alliance in terms of member count, outposts held, and systems secured (not counting renters) even though it barely uses a portion of that. With the current affairs of nullsec being as they are, coalitions don't want to fight each other because the stakes are too high for even a gambling man to risk them. The next war between the CFC and N3 will destroy one and cripple the other undoubtedly.
I think your questions are better posed at one of our senior leadership, or the senior leadership of N3, than at me. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:13:00 -
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Rekon X wrote:Tron 3K wrote: Don't bad mouth elite pvpers!
Although I hear those retrievers are some pretty tough targets. Entertaining looking through there war reports also. I guess the op doesn't want to fight the ones they are getting spanked in.
Are you under the mistaken belief that I am talking about the Empire war declaration mechanics? No one cares about that. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:14:00 -
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Johan Civire wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. I think you miss the war. You need to be online a little more.
I am online about 12 hours a day and have access to bloc-level strategic intelligence. What are you talking about? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:15:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Khemax wrote:I thought you guys were going to kill test off...as I see it test is still out there in numbers. Make it your new war to not take tests systems but actually kill them off completely. 8k+ members is still loads fo targets to kill Or if you want a real battle make it your task in life to kill off BL or PL (Sorry guys just the first names that came to mind) Plenty of targets out there The plan was to kick test out of fountain and take it for the cfc. Test might still have 8k members but they're spent right now. They barely put up a fight at their peak.
TEST is defeated. The number of EVE characters still in their EVE guild doesn't really mean anything. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:17:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: You somehow missed about 30k people that tried to stop us taking fountain. You might want to recount. If you need some help you can use the public standings (https://standings.goonfleet.com/) which doesn't count people who might dogpile on (we were neutral to just about everyone in Asakai for instance) but it's a start.
"There are three types of falsehoods: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -- Sun Tzu, 7 December 1941 Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:54:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:To all the people saying "Goons are too big", they said that about BoB, where are they now?
And this is why any arguments invoking, "the blob," are provably wrong. Being a big blob has never made a coalition invincible. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:54:00 -
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Mac Munoz wrote:Apparently the Siege Fleet Bot that Lyris was has had a sufficient cool down and is ready for more action. My bomber is waiting. Got things moved down to 1DH last night. Siege Fleet rides again tonight! Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:55:00 -
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Ser Berus wrote:Lyris Nairn: +ëminence grise of the CFC Please stop spreading these falsehoods. I am just a humble ice miner. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:55:00 -
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Ser Berus wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:To all the people saying "Goons are too big", they said that about BoB, where are they now? I have it on good authority that there is no BoB We should rent Delve to 4O1k once we're done with it. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10939
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:56:00 -
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Rekon X wrote: I posted numbers with links. All I hear from you is more goonpud propaganda.
Hide in your numbers. It's where the suck goes.
More whining about blobs? Original! Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:56:00 -
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Freakdevil wrote:I vote for a Goon Civil War. C'mon you know you want it. The Drama would be fun. Good cop bad cop. The cherry on top is you stab everyone in the back and take ALL the space.
Make sure you send me a cut when your done. The idea is worth Trillions. I'll be sure to cut you in on 15% of the proceeds. It's only fair. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:57:00 -
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MacKael wrote:Obvious Cyno wrote:Why not deploy CFC squads south to mess around in catch with triple A and tribe? Or Providence with NCDotte? Also we could use some action If you could use the action, then why not come attack us? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:57:00 -
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Andski wrote:Rekon X wrote:I posted numbers with links. All I hear from you is more goonpud propaganda.
Hide in your numbers. It's where the suck goes. npc alts aren't people But their votes count! :ohdear: Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:57:00 -
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Rekon X wrote:Andski wrote:Rekon X wrote:I posted numbers with links. All I hear from you is more goonpud propaganda.
Hide in your numbers. It's where the suck goes. npc alts aren't people Awww, sorry goonswine. Didn't Marmite just get done spanking you? Yea, they spanked you hard. Go hide in your little area surrounded by your allies. What is a Marmite? Seriously what are you on about? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:58:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:You're special I wish I was special. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:58:00 -
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Andski wrote:Rekon X wrote:Awww, sorry goonswine.
Didn't Marmite just get done spanking you? Yea, they spanked you hard.
Go hide in your little area surrounded by your allies. lol, it thinks that whoever it cheers on matters anywhere Who is this guy Andski? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:59:00 -
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Mocking the dead is low. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:59:00 -
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Rekon X wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Rekon X wrote:Andski wrote:Rekon X wrote:I posted numbers with links. All I hear from you is more goonpud propaganda.
Hide in your numbers. It's where the suck goes. npc alts aren't people Awww, sorry goonswine. Didn't Marmite just get done spanking you? Yea, they spanked you hard. Go hide in your little area surrounded by your allies. It's easy to talk big when you're hiding behind an NPC corps skirts, try posting on your main. If that is your main, man up, leave the NPC corp and take responsibility for being a gobshite. I don't have a bunch of little alts scanning out retrievers for me. That is what goonsuck does. I have a bunch of alts in humble procurers. Might you be interested in flying one? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:00:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Rekon X wrote: I don't have a bunch of little alts scanning out retrievers for me.
That is what goonsuck does.
So this is your main? You're quite happy to shiptoast, but unwilling to suffer the consequences, so you hide behind an NPC corps skirt. {sarcasm} I envy your fortitude and bravery. {/sarcasm} Who the hell scans Retrievers? 2 Catalysts will kill a Retriever in a 0.8 before Concord turns up regardless of the tank, unless of course Concord are already present on the field. It is as though the guy you're quoting has no idea what he's talking about! Colour me shocked. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:00:00 -
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Rekon X wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Rekon X wrote: I don't have a bunch of little alts scanning out retrievers for me.
That is what goonsuck does.
So this is your main? You're quite happy to shiptoast, but unwilling to suffer the consequences, so you hide behind an NPC corps skirt. {sarcasm} I envy your fortitude and bravery. {/sarcasm} Who the hell scans Retrievers? 2 Catalysts will kill a Retriever in a 0.8 before Concord turns up regardless of the tank, unless of course Concord are already present on the field. Goons do, I was up in Osmon a few days ago for their so called ice interdiction. What a joke that was. They wouldn't come up to the icefields. Cowering little bitches. Are you Gevlon Goblin? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:02:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Rekon X wrote:Andski wrote:Rekon X wrote:I posted numbers with links. All I hear from you is more goonpud propaganda.
Hide in your numbers. It's where the suck goes. npc alts aren't people Awww, sorry goonswine. Didn't Marmite just get done spanking you? Yea, they spanked you hard. Go hide in your little area surrounded by your allies. A spanking would be PL dropping 100 supercaps on a cfc cap fleet. Playing station games in high sec doesn't even register. So are the Marmites this guy mentioned one of the dozen or so Empire war dec corps that camp the Jita undock? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:03:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Rekon X wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Rekon X wrote: I don't have a bunch of little alts scanning out retrievers for me.
That is what goonsuck does.
So this is your main? You're quite happy to shiptoast, but unwilling to suffer the consequences, so you hide behind an NPC corps skirt. {sarcasm} I envy your fortitude and bravery. {/sarcasm} Who the hell scans Retrievers? 2 Catalysts will kill a Retriever in a 0.8 before Concord turns up regardless of the tank, unless of course Concord are already present on the field. Goons do, I was up in Osmon a few days ago for their so called ice interdiction. What a joke that was. They wouldn't come up to the icefields. Cowering little bitches. If they wouldn't come up to the ice fields, how were they scanning Retrievers? Have Goons got access to a magical device that scans ship fits over a vast distance? I'm 90% sure they wouldn't waste their time scanning Retrievers. They'd scan Mackinaws, Orcas & Hulks yes, Retrievers nope, and in all likelihood they'd be doing it with unaffiliated scouts. I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of magical scanning devices developed by GARPA and fielded by GIA and Miniluv agents in and around Osmon. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10939
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:05:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I wish, but no, not a Goon alt, I've flown with a few on occasion and read TMC, but other than that I have no links with Goonswarm, or any of their subsidiaries. As far as 99.99% of Goons are concerned I'm highsec pubbie scum.
You talk the talk, now leave your NPC corp and walk the walk, lets see how long you last. Assuming, of course, that Rekon X is your main as you claim and not just a disposable shiptoasting alt. Or are you all mouth and no trousers?
He would last just fine in a non-NPC corp. It's not like we're going to war dec him. Who cars about Empire war decs? He is as safe or in peril in an NPC corp as he would be in a player corp: read, if we really wanted to hound him down, being in an NPC corp would not save him from suicide ganks. And if he is not a target of particular interest, then being in a player corp wouldn't exactly encourage us to war dec his corp just to chase down one random bad poster on EVE-O because he impugned our space honour. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:06:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Andski wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Then instead of setting people blue and paying them a ton of isk i.e BL, try killing them instead :) People who lose wars shouldn't pretend to have valuable input for those who win them lol.. in other words "Damn, I can't refute that point so I will just come up with an insult" Classic :) Your mother can't refute that point! Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:06:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Ser Berus wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:To all the people saying "Goons are too big", they said that about BoB, where are they now? I have it on good authority that there is no BoB We do Have Bob 2.0 or as they are more commonly know as Goons :) The opinions of sheep are of no concern to wolves. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:06:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Andski wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Then instead of setting people blue and paying them a ton of isk i.e BL, try killing them instead :) People who lose wars shouldn't pretend to have valuable input for those who win them lol.. in other words "Damn, I can't refute that point so I will just come up with an insult" Classic :) "History is written by the victors" ~ unknown, but commonly attributed to Winston Churchill. "Dickbutte" -- Joseph Stain, 38 BCE Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:08:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:If they wouldn't come up to the ice fields, how were they scanning Retrievers? Have Goons got access to a magical device that scans ship fits over a vast distance? You'd be surprised, but that miner next to you in the skiff that seems to have gone AFK with a full hold is actually passive targeting and scanning you. Goons may be bored, but we're not that bored. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:09:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:If they wouldn't come up to the ice fields, how were they scanning Retrievers? Have Goons got access to a magical device that scans ship fits over a vast distance? You'd be surprised, but that miner next to you in the skiff that seems to have gone AFK with a full hold is actually passive targeting and scanning you. hehe, nice hiding in plain sight, I thought as much and pointed out in my followup post, I've done it myself for the NO guys using a Procurer. But seriously scanning Retrievers? Waste of a scout when you can scan them with blasters and get the desired result every time. As someone else stated earlier in the thread, two catalysts can kill a retriever regardless of how it's fit. Why scan it? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10939
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:10:00 -
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Andski wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Andski wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Then instead of setting people blue and paying them a ton of isk i.e BL, try killing them instead :) People who lose wars shouldn't pretend to have valuable input for those who win them lol.. in other words "Damn, I can't refute that point so I will just come up with an insult" Classic :) We're not actually blue with BL because we still like fighting them. Your alliance, on the other hand, has been blue with PL for almost three years. The funny thing is that a lot of people in both NCdot/PL are still slow and don't get it, complaining about nobody engaging you with supers unless it's beyond doubt that you'd lose the fight. For the benefit of those of us in the audience who are as slow as you claim that guy to be, could you come down off of Space Important Mountain and draw us a crude diagram? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:10:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Andski wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Andski wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Then instead of setting people blue and paying them a ton of isk i.e BL, try killing them instead :) People who lose wars shouldn't pretend to have valuable input for those who win them lol.. in other words "Damn, I can't refute that point so I will just come up with an insult" Classic :) We're not actually blue with BL because we still like fighting them. Your alliance, on the other hand, has been blue with PL for almost three years. The funny thing is that a lot of people in both NCdot/PL are still slow and don't get it, complaining about nobody engaging you with supers unless it's beyond doubt that you'd lose the fight. Hehe.. I knew you couldn't resist :) As for not fighting CFC.. why should people do that. No other alliance has nearly as much isk or number of people willing to get up at 3am to play a computer game. Also NC, PL. Nulli. Solar, CFC etc are all alike. Nobody will drop supers unless they are damn sure they will win the fight and have lots of people on standby if somebody goes wrong. That is why you guys were bashing structures with SB and not supers. Nothing wrong with that, you would have to be a moron to drop supers without a ton of support. I seem to recall plenty of CFC supercapitals grinding structures in Fountain.
You give me and my Siege Fleets too much credit! Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:11:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. Do what BoB used to do, tool up, pick a direction, roll in that direction destroying everything until you run out of money, return home, make more money, repeat. I want to see huge chunks of completely unclaimed 0.0 because goods have just broken everything there... you know... like delve... only more. Right now I believe we are about to roll Delve just because. Whee! Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:11:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:or donate huge wads of isk to brave newbies and I'm sure we'd come fight you :) I love newbies! You should come fly Rifters with me. :sun: Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. We've just finished with 3 bloc level campaigns (that I know of) in 0.0 Why stop with just three? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:14:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Well, the precedent is Alexander weeping because he had no more worlds to conquer. Same for Genghis Khan's successor Khans, more or less. If you build your empire through fighting, peace becomes boredom and stagnation. So, if following history, the next stage should be stagnation, then the outbreak of a vicious internal power struggle, and eventually a split into smaller rival factions. If not at war with each other, than at least despising each other as traitors. How about giving it a try, GSF/CFC? Could be fun. BTW, bummer that our high sec guerillas ops aren't providing sufficient entertainment yet. We're working on it, but the effects are still pretty much limited to local individual CFC members.... From what I have seen, the Ice Interdiction is keeping plenty of folks entertained during certain hours. The problem from my perspective is that it is just a temporary, niche thing. I suppose that one could define a war similarly, but, meh. So I guess that means you're not going to incite an internal civil war or seize power via a coup d'+¬tat? Come on, stop thinking small. As a not very bright teenage girl once said: YOLO Lyris Nairn, this summer, in a Lyris Nairn production, directed by Lyris Nairn: Yolo Swaggins and the Fellowship of the Bling Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:14:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Wow, Lyris, I am impressed, really. That was 29 posts in 50 minutes. With perfect grammar and without typos. This is why GSF is the posting backbone of the CFC. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:16:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
thanks for making a big chatbox out of the game
Don't you go blaming me for EVE's terrible interface design! You sure are ungrateful after all the time Theta Squad has spent trying to teach you how to gank people. nobody teached me a thing, and if some tried, I just did the complete opposite... you might should do that as well someday to make this game exciting and not so much predictable There are screenshots of dudes talking to you in JU-OWQ local, trying to teach you how to properly bomb.
If you would like to chest thump on the forums about how you're a lone wolf who don't need no teaching then I can ask them to stop. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:18:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Mac Munoz wrote:Apparently the Siege Fleet Bot that Lyris was has had a sufficient cool down and is ready for more action. My bomber is waiting. Got things moved down to 1DH last night. Siege Fleet rides again tonight! i hope the whole thread 'me wants attention" can be closed now? We are fighting undefended structures at the moment. I would love for INIT. and 4O1k to actually fight us instead of run away in terror at the sight of 30 harpies. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:18:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Aren't you suppose to be bashing POS's in Delve? I am on my lunch break at uni. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:19:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:so i manged to move a ship to 1dh. what do i shoot? There are a few folks about who like to dock up in NPC stations if there are gangs, but if you are crafty then you ought to be able to catch a few! Or you can wait a couple of hours 'til I get home and start running fleets. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:20:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote: This is why GSF is the posting backbone of the CFC.
Goonswarm Federation: Never Stop Posting Gäó I am in fact posting right now! Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:26:00 -
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hello!
im gay as well Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:27:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There are a few folks about who like to dock up in NPC stations if there are gangs, but if you are crafty then you ought to be able to catch a few! Or you can wait a couple of hours 'til I get home and start running fleets. If I undocked the best I'd be likely to catch is a cold. Why can't you run fleets at a reasonable time? My boss usually prefers if I sleep at home, not at work. Give me a time zone and I will try to lead a fleet in it at least twice a week. :) Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:33:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Give me a time zone and I will try to lead a fleet in it at least twice a week. :) I'm EU time zone, personally. I doubt there's going to be a lack of EU fleets. Yeah, no. Vee is generally all over that. If you are afraid to fight Vee (and there's no shame in that), then I can pester him to let me lead some fleets in the EG ownzone. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:11:00 -
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I am dumb and the forums do not show you as blue. :shobon: Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:30:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:I am dumb and the forums do not show you as blue. :shobon: You need to have personally set blue standings. The standard alliance ones do now show up. Of course they don't! Why would they? :ccp: Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.27 19:31:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:March rabbit wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Mac Munoz wrote:Apparently the Siege Fleet Bot that Lyris was has had a sufficient cool down and is ready for more action. My bomber is waiting. Got things moved down to 1DH last night. Siege Fleet rides again tonight! i hope the whole thread 'me wants attention" can be closed now? We are fighting undefended structures at the moment. I would love for INIT. and 4O1k to actually fight us instead of run away in terror at the sight of 30 harpies. Er, we only blob 30 harpies? What's going on here... I did a small roam last night limited to only 30 people in fleet, which included all of 10 harpies and 2 bursts. When confronted with this terrifying force, INIT. docked up. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:19:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Hans Zwaardhandler wrote: if you and others want a war that doesn't involve terrible levels of structure grinding Are you kidding me, this is the CFC you know. As everyone in the CFC knows by now, I have no problem at all with structure grinding. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:19:00 -
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Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:On a scale of 1 to 10, how much would you mind losing this war and seeing your alliance and coalition dismantled? Goonfleet/waffe/swarm/platoon has endured a lot throughout its history, and while it would undoubtedly make many people uncomfortable I don't think a lost war -- even one that caused the CFC to fracture -- would drive goons from the game. The worst case scenario for me is that I would go play some other game with goons rather than EVE Online; but, I don't think the goon guild in EVE would just give up and disband as a result of a lost war. We rally behind war and hardship, because that gives us a reason to log in and a cause to grit out teeth and fight for. Maybe you have some secret information that I don't about some existential threat to GSF or the CFC? The question was more towards if you would care if you lost all your space. After being on the losing side of two sov wars, it isn't fun (unless you don't care about losing everything you and your friends have worked for). Do you care if you lose your space and assets that might be trapped? Are you willing to help friends and compatriots flee from the ruins of what was once your home region should you end up on the losing side? Even if the Swarm never disbands and Goonwaffe avoids being Kartoon'd again, how many will stick alongside you if you end up on the losing side of a war, and will you still stay with them if you lose all of the sov you have enjoyed for it's spoils and get to experience the joy of NPC nullsec? My point being in this wall of text is that losing sucks unless you don't care; and if you don't care about losing and are ready to fight, then you either have to shed the blues beside of you or fight another coalition. Goonswarm is the largest alliance in terms of member count, outposts held, and systems secured (not counting renters) even though it barely uses a portion of that. With the current affairs of nullsec being as they are, coalitions don't want to fight each other because the stakes are too high for even a gambling man to risk them. The next war between the CFC and N3 will destroy one and cripple the other undoubtedly. I think your questions are better posed at one of our senior leadership, or the senior leadership of N3, than at me. Fair enough; but if you and others want a war that doesn't involve terrible levels of structure grinding and possible epic fights, then you have three options. Engage N3 or the New Southern Coalition, divide internally and begin war, or continue rolling over the smaller forces that can't really engage in a war with the CFC, at which point I would like to say that if the third option is chosen that you are just in it for the easy killmail generation factor, and not the want of a bloc level war. Eve is what you make of it. If you want to be part of a group that has created a stagnant atmosphere across half of the galaxy, you are more than welcome to join. If you want something else, you have to go out and fight for it and try to push for it. I would love for N3 or the Southern Coalition to attack us. Why do you think I made this thread? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:35:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Why do you think I made this thread? For the same reason most people do; they're bored and have nothing better to do. That is an awfully odd way to say: "Never stop posting." Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.27 20:36:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote: As everyone in the CFC knows by now, I have no problem at all with structure grinding.
You can grind my structure any time Edit: ((Again )) Gonna be all over that when I get back home tonight. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.28 20:07:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:wtf 90% of the posts per page are from the same poster...
someone needs an intervention. I have just posted a reply to every comment. vOv Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.28 20:08:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Well, since it's nearly time for me to do the whole sleeping thing, I guess things are about to get fun in 1DH. Ain't that always the way? Protip: never sleep. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.28 20:09:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
thanks for making a big chatbox out of the game
Don't you go blaming me for EVE's terrible interface design! You sure are ungrateful after all the time Theta Squad has spent trying to teach you how to gank people. nobody teached me a thing, and if some tried, I just did the complete opposite... you might should do that as well someday to make this game exciting and not so much predictable There are screenshots of dudes talking to you in JU-OWQ local, trying to teach you how to properly bomb. If you would like to chest thump on the forums about how you're a lone wolf who don't need no teaching then I can ask them to stop. god you guys are so silly, man... they all just talk I know how the mechanics work, just stop it, grown ups ask if they need something, you guys behave so importunate... all what you told me I knew already from the web, why do you think I blocked most of the smartass? 10 bombs hit one did not, and you all jump on it and think help is needed... buaaa! go away, I hate this ****, you all just want to be important and show others how much you know, thats it, just wait until somebody ask please, that the right way to do it, you all end up repeating stuff and thats just anyoing you want to help? just bomb the **** out of spacemonkeys or another CFC corb, nothing more needed...
If you want folks to stop trying to help you in local, then I will gladly ask them to stop.
Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.28 20:10:00 -
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Rellik B00n wrote:The current path has always been leading towards a situation where the only people left to fight will be yourselves.
Or you will all get bored and there will be a massive vacuum followed by a long period of conflict.
I believe the original intent was to kill EvE and as far as I am aware that mandate has never changed, so maybe you could just do nothing.
As a parting word it is traditional that when you have beaten a game you start it again on the next difficulty level so if the entire Goonblock would like to 'give me its stuff,' you can do exactly that.
Why would we want to destroy something that we enjoy and have invested innumerable hours into? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.28 20:16:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Rhes wrote:Rellik B00n wrote:I believe the original intent was to kill EvE and as far as I am aware that mandate has never changed, so maybe you could just do nothing. Confirming that our goal has always been to kill a game that thousands of us play and have enjoyed for years. Enjoying siegefleets since Fountain2013 Glad you like 'em! Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.28 20:16:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Harry Forever wrote:god you guys are so silly, man... they all just talk I know how the mechanics work, just stop it, grown ups ask if they need something, you guys behave so importunate... all what you told me I knew already from the web, why do you think I blocked most of the smartass?
10 bombs hit one did not, and you all jump on it and think help is needed... buaaa! go away, I hate this ****, you all just want to be important and show others how much you know, thats it, just wait until somebody ask please, that the right way to do it, you all end up repeating stuff and thats just anyoing
you want to help? just bomb the **** out of spacemonkeys or another CFC corb, nothing more needed... You seem upset. Tell me all about it. you are boring, thats it. Your face is boring. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.30 12:42:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Harry Forever wrote:god you guys are so silly, man... they all just talk I know how the mechanics work, just stop it, grown ups ask if they need something, you guys behave so importunate... all what you told me I knew already from the web, why do you think I blocked most of the smartass?
10 bombs hit one did not, and you all jump on it and think help is needed... buaaa! go away, I hate this ****, you all just want to be important and show others how much you know, thats it, just wait until somebody ask please, that the right way to do it, you all end up repeating stuff and thats just anyoing
you want to help? just bomb the **** out of spacemonkeys or another CFC corb, nothing more needed... YAY! Special mention for SMA, woop woop. Now you can come to our space and hide from T1 cruisers crying about how we don't fight fair. How's VFK going by the way... You seem to have stopped going there. I honestly haven't seen Harry around Deklein much in the past week or so. Maybe he has been online while I've been at uni? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11682
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Posted - 2013.08.30 12:47:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Rekon X wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Rekon X wrote: Awww, sorry goonswine.
Didn't Marmite just get done spanking you? Yea, they spanked you hard.
Go hide in your little area surrounded by your allies.
It's easy to talk big when you're hiding behind an NPC corps skirts, try posting on your main. If that is your main, man up, leave the NPC corp and take responsibility for being a gobshite. I don't have a bunch of little alts scanning out retrievers for me. That is what goonsuck does. Holy **** I remember you. You're the guy who had(has?) an alliance which is just you and your alts, because you think playing with anyone else is foolish and you can't trust anyone. Poor sod. HOW YOU DOIN?! If anyone is interested I'll remember the alliance name eventually. Cogs be slow. I will never understand the mindset of paying for an MMO just to play it as a single player game. I suppose EVE is different than most in that you can avoid paying real money for it. Happily for all involved, my opinion of a person or their preferred way to play the game doesn't need to keep them from enjoying the game they way they prefer. If he really wants to play all by himself and watch the numbers in his wallet go up, then let him. Perhaps he would like access to nullsec resources, though? I hear we're renting. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.30 12:48:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Harry Forever wrote:god you guys are so silly, man... they all just talk I know how the mechanics work, just stop it, grown ups ask if they need something, you guys behave so importunate... all what you told me I knew already from the web, why do you think I blocked most of the smartass?
10 bombs hit one did not, and you all jump on it and think help is needed... buaaa! go away, I hate this ****, you all just want to be important and show others how much you know, thats it, just wait until somebody ask please, that the right way to do it, you all end up repeating stuff and thats just anyoing
you want to help? just bomb the **** out of spacemonkeys or another CFC corb, nothing more needed... YAY! Special mention for SMA, woop woop. Now you can come to our space and hide from T1 cruisers crying about how we don't fight fair. How's VFK going by the way... You seem to have stopped going there. yea becauser there are not fights, its just me and maybe 1 other person per hour who goes there, you guys just dock if bigger fleets come up, cool! no fights in your space thats how it should be played! you are doing it right! Amazingly people have no interest in losing their PVE ships to pad the killboards of a hostile gang. Why shouldn't we dock up and grab PVP ships when they come rolling through? At least for Theta Squad, that's what we do. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:01:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: How's VFK going by the way... You seem to have stopped going there.
yea becauser there are not fights, its just me and maybe 1 other person per hour who goes there, you guys just dock if bigger fleets come up, cool! no fights in your space thats how it should be played! you are doing it right! Why take a crap on your own doorstep when you can do it on someone elses? What is this security you speak of? Nonsense! Everyone should be actively engaged in PVP at all times. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:01:00 -
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Sgt Doakes XD wrote:Fear is a mind killer in many situations, but there can be more than one mind killer, mother F**** Please elaborate. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:02:00 -
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Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
What do you mean?
-renters not giving a crap you win or loose systems, doesn't matter if they pay rent to you or someone else
So what's your civil war?
A member of the Goonswarm Federation wanting war... I was just teasing them about a nice Civil War. Why so serious? There has not been much dissent over the subject of renting past the initial outcry of "true goon" culture complaints that were silenced by regdate elitism. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:03:00 -
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bloodknight2 wrote:Harry Forever wrote: all what you told me I knew already from the web, why do you think I blocked most of the smartass?.
And yet, you haven't killed a single pvp ship. Oh sorry, i forgot. You killed a loki. Confirming that Loki was all Harry Forever and the other involved parties weren't even there. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:09:00 -
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General Nusense wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. Eve is not boring if you dont have a long blue list. You should join another alliance that isnt blue with the CFC. Any alliance that isn't actively engaged in a war at a given time would present the same issue for me. This is not about a long blue list, it is about the lack of a dedicated campaign of some sort. Sovereignty wars are fun for me. The sort of roaming, small gang ~wulfpax~ that many other people seem to prefer do not interest me at all. Even if GSF were not blue to its immediate neighbours in the North, that would be boring for me. I am simply not interested in day trips into hostile space. I am interested in protracted conflicts, because those generate a lot of content all day every day. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:11:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote:bloodknight2 wrote:Harry Forever wrote: all what you told me I knew already from the web, why do you think I blocked most of the smartass?.
And yet, you haven't killed a single pvp ship. Oh sorry, i forgot. You killed a loki. I killed 10 times more ship then you in the timeframe whe played, there have been pvp ships included, even that alone more then you brought down, so stop talking and just go afk again In June, July and August you killed 76 ships, Bloodknight2 killed 14, thats around 5.5 times as many, you're about 64 ships short Harry, even by your standards that was a terrible and instantly checkable lie. Tron 3K wrote: YOU LIAR! You said you blocked me! If I do anything in this game it will be to destroy you! And I was joking I've killed people just not with this char since its my Industry char :)
It seems he's incapable of using left click, block posts. I'm supposedly blocked as well, but Harry magically manages to reply to the ones he's supposedly not seen because they're blocked. These personal attacks are getting a bit off topic don't you think? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:12:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote: ganking me with a hauler, thats something new, looking forward to that
You mean like the hauler that provided the tackle on your 2xWCS Cov-ops loss? Fun fact: very rarely are people convinced they are wrong by an argument, no matter how damning the evidence. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:14:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There needs to be another war soon. Peace makes for little reason to log in but to amass space money. Having the spoils of war is great, and everyone appreciates them; but, most of the fun in this curiously excellent spaceship sandbox is in the actual taking rather than in the having. Soooo go pick a fight. Attack a blue. Preferably one right next door. No need to worry about power projection, supply lines, hot drops... just all out brawl it down and see what happens. That should be exciting. Me, personally? Attack a blue? Awoxing doesn't do it for me. Neither does taking a day trip into nearby space. I have addressed this point several times in the thread. My complaint is not the lack of dudes to shoot, it is the lack of a dedicated campaign to consistently shoot a particular group of them and take their stuff. Small gangs and roaming ~wulfpax~ are not appealing at all to me. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:17:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry Forever wrote: ganking me with a hauler, thats something new, looking forward to that
You mean like the hauler that provided the tackle on your 2xWCS Cov-ops loss? you are not even on the killboard dude, maybe start playing, and your friend is even worse, 10 solo kills in 4 yeras, lol, i beat you both in the first first month Ad hominem is not appealing. What does it matter if he is on a killboard or not? That doesn't change the truth or falsehood of his statements. Whether he is or is not on a killboard, you were nonetheless tackled by a hauler and killed. Own it. And before you try to go all ad hominem on me, if you really wanna turn this into a pissing contest I had several times more kills in the month of July than you have had in your entire history. So listen up! Ad hominem is a fallacy for a reason. Attack the argument, not the person making it. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:24:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Don't you have your own forums that might be viewed by upper managment?
I mean there is nothing wrong telling GD, but I don't think it will acheive anything other than "Grrr Goons" posts. I am curious as to why you think only one party (GSF) needs to be addressed here. There are numerous other entities who might choose to be the aggressor against GSF, which a post on our internal forums would not address. Don't hedge.... If you want something, go get it! Start that war! GSF won't mind, they value the individual! One person going out and "starting a war" does not create a war. It just creates a headache for others. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:25:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Osileon Yoshimeru wrote:tldr:
Just make some mock wars. Im sure you can sacrifice a few supers.
You said it yourself how spoils of war is great and all. Do some fleet training and burn some of that isk off while you wait for next war. You can try out new tactics and stuff you weren't really sure of doing during a real war. We could probably organize some intra-CFC brawls, but they would necessarily be limited in scope and size. Neither side of a mock war would want to fully escalate, because doing so depletes real assets which might at any time need to be marshaled against a real aggressor. You can understand why this is not an attractive option. Fully commit. Reset coalition. No "blues". You are goonswarm, act like it. Merely having potential targets does not make a war campaign. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:26:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Tron 3K wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Anna Karhunen wrote:So... go talk to your superiors and Goons and get that war rolling. Shouting for it here in General Discussion won't get you anywhere. You know, for a change of pace someone else could be the aggressor. Yes who wants to take their shot at a blob.. Maybe break up your alliance and duke it out with them for fun. Why you need all those people anyways. Lots of people want to take a shot at the blob. Plenty of folks fought against us in Fountain. And on the other side of space, plenty of folks are fighting a blob just as big as the CFC. "The blob," honestly, is a tired line and has been since its first utterance as a rationalization for cognitive dissonance and logistical failure. Employing as many people as you can muster to fight a common foe is a simple element of strategy that has served humanity forever, and it is no different in the pretend space future. But perhaps you are right: perhaps we have become victims of our own successful diplomacy. We shall see what the future holds. It's almost like you are speaking as someone not a part of the "blob"... Something tells me you are not happy with your own current situation and you should do something about it. I am presently doing something about it: multibox mining while playing other games, until the next war. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:27:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Spergie Scrublord wrote:The OP, a member of the most powerful alliance in the game - the one that openly and proudly scams, schemes, backstabs and does whatever it can at any opportunity - should truly go down in the history books as the best example ever of the worst case of EVE Online's First World Problems. S/he is no doubt here on the forums presenting her case to subtly prepare us for TheMittani's next big declaration of whatever he has planned. Just a hunch, because this overblown piece of ridiculous writing smells of -- something. I am not an official source for Goonswarm, nor do I write for TMC, nor am I otherwise (to my knowledge) a mouthpiece. I would love for you to be right, though! To have some new offensive announced within the next few days would make me happy as a clam. Quote:If not, nay I suggest to the OP that making an alt and sending it to Syndicate, where it is constant war with no reasons needed, might relieve her boredom.
Hell, for a serious reality check, drop out of Goonswarm and play the game like the pubbies do. ***gaaaaaaasp*** You may not be aware, but GSF actually has a pretty good presence in Syndicate. Meh, they'd hot dropped us over on moonies territory a few times, and we've hotdropped them. The euro gsf's are pretty cool guys. They actually "gf" and and chat, not just sperg random memes and links. Having led fleets in all time zones, I agree that Euro TZ is generally pretty civil. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:29:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Sol Kal'orr wrote:If you want a war, start a war. I don't think I'm allowed to willfully start a diplomatic incident. Who the hell is going to tell you no? Are you a yesman? I play EVE with goons. I wouldn't play EVE at all if I wasn't in Goonfleet/swarm/waffe/platoon. There are other games with other goon guilds that would be more fun than playing EVE without goons. So, yeah. I'm a company man, a yes man, whatever you want to call someone invested in a group. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:33:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:
Civil war would require there to be a cohesive faction within GSF or the CFC which is loyal to itself but disloyal to the whole. While such a faction is undoubtedly possible, I have not heard of it; moreover, if such a faction did exist it would have to be better than the best diplomatic and counterintelligence teams in the game at diplomacy and counterintelligence. That's a tall order. There arises an issue that the fledgling faction would most likely be snuffed out, its instigators and collaborators excised before it could develop into a large movement. Such an entity would have to materialize out of whole cloth, which is honestly unreasonable.
I think the renting direction is a good indicator. Separate the sheep from the wolves. Fond out who was truly Goons when Goons were Goons. And who are the isk whores. Besides, what better entity than the GSF for such a "tall order"? Most goons, including myself, were not "truly Goons when Goons were Goons." The entire argument between renting or not was pretty effectively silenced by some regdate elitism. And it's a good point: most of the people who were crying about "true goon" culture were not even playing the game back when goonfleet was founded. I personally have no opinion on the matter of renters. But we are going to do it, and so I support it. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:34:00 -
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Joepopo wrote:Just popping to remind all that the CFC is a big ball of blues.
Our empire in null sec is the most stable, most safe place in all 0.0.
TNT has the record for the longest sov and Goonswarm has been in deklein for close to 4 years now.
This is why the CFC rental program is the best available in all 0.0. There is nowhere in space where exploration is as safe and profitable as here. GSF and the CFC have some really great people who go to extensive lengths to maintain our space empire. You could not ask for a better friend or a more reasonable landlord. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:36:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Andski wrote:You're clearly not up to speed so let me help you get there: IT Alliance, the NC and SoCo all went down despite those things all existing and giving them what you seem to believe is an insurmountable advantage All I know is that I'm not going to organize 10,000 people (many of which I can't stand) to lead a crusade in an internet spaceship game to defeat an opponent I am, for the most part, indifferent towards. Not unless somebody wants to pay me real currency. Then you blatantly do not understand the mindset of people who lead alliances, coalitions, or fleets. Or for that matter, guilds, raids, platoons, or whatever other collective groups appear in other games. People like to lead, even when it is leading to do a thing they might not have a personal investment in, because being a leader is fun. Being able to look at a map, or a DPS chart, or a battle report, or an Arena Rating, or some purple pixels, or a flashy title over your elf's head, and say, "I did that," is nice. Being able to be provably good at your chosen hobby, to be able to laugh at scrubs like yourself and say, "hate me because I am better than you," and point to your dilz, is a great feeling that feeds the egos of people across all age groups and across all MMOs. Ask me about my 2v2 rating of 2300; ask me about my top lane Jax; ask me about my no scope 420 fps skills; ask me about how I led fleets for 12 hours a day for two months; and so on. These are things that people take pride in, even if they're not provably very good at it, because they like to think themselves better. And other people are just altruistic. They do it because they know it will help the group. On my friend's minecraft server, I will log on for a couple of hours and just go exploring and mining then deposit a bunch of ore in a chest and log off. It's fun for me, because I know I am helping and that I am contributing to other people's fun whom I care about. I swapped my sleep schedule around from playing in USTZ to leading Siege Fleets in AUTZ, because I knew that our coalition was weak in that time zone and that I could help. I feel good about it. Getting some PLEX per month to keep me from having to stop leading fleets and go farm rats is a nice gesture, but it's nothing like the RMT salary you seem to think exists. I wonder if perhaps you are Gevlon Goblin. Your lack of understanding of human motivations resembles him. That's a lot of selfless acts for someone who just recently wasn't sure if you were "allowed" to do certain things. I don't see the disconnect between being "selfless," and not wanting to do something I shouldn't. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:36:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Khemax wrote:I thought you guys were going to kill test off...as I see it test is still out there in numbers. Make it your new war to not take tests systems but actually kill them off completely. 8k+ members is still loads fo targets to kill Or if you want a real battle make it your task in life to kill off BL or PL (Sorry guys just the first names that came to mind) Plenty of targets out there War against BL or PL would be a pretty awesome thing. It will happen eventually, I am sure. I look forward to it. But for now, killing TEST off is not really a campaign of the sort I am wanting. As they live in low sec and have no assets in space to defend, this amounts to camping an undock for hours on end without bubbles while carriers play station games. I understand that some folks in Empire find that sort of game play fun, e.g., the wardec corps that hound the Jita undock, but it is not something you mobilize a large coalition to do and field large fleets to accomplish. We could easily camp the undock with a few hundred dudes for a while, but TEST would have no incentive to undock and we would just be wasting each other's time for nothing. Real wars are fought when one or both sides have an incentive to fight, because they have something to lose or gain. Are you picking your battles, or wanting someone else to pick them for you? Please make up your mind... I've been pretty expressive in my statements that I am not interested in small scale things that I could reasonably do all by myself. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:37:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:posting in Lyris Nairn's personal twitter Every thread is a Lyris Nairn thread. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:38:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Seems Eve-O is back to screaming for someone (but not me, for erm, just someone, kk) to ruin the CFC's empire so they can leap around and pretend the schadenfreude they get from it is actual, meaningful happiness.
Or at least that's what I assume when someone makes over 30 posts about it in a day. Hey now man of all the things to hate him for the fact that he's posting isn't one of them. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:42:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:[quote=William Walker] Yay mercs! I'd be looking forward to mass small gang roaming events and... uuuh... ran out of steam there. But mass small gang roaming still sounds like fun. Why is it that after every major nullsec war there is a resurgence of people praising ~wulfpax~ on the forums? Because they are fun. Not tidi grind fests of waiting for the lag to clear. They are fun for you, perhaps. Small gang roaming has never interested me. There were plenty of small fights during the Fountain war, none of which were spawned because some dude wanted to take a day trip through the region. They all occurred because there was a war on, and the fighting entities had staging systems near enough to each other than whenever one side formed up a fleet to harass the other's assets it was in their interest to try and stop it. Fleets all day every day providing content for hundreds or thousands of people is not something that happens with ~wulfpax~ and small gangs who are roaming around for its own sake. They happen because there are assets to protect, objectives to achieve, and so on. In short, it happens because of a war. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:45:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Khemax wrote:I thought you guys were going to kill test off...as I see it test is still out there in numbers. Make it your new war to not take tests systems but actually kill them off completely. 8k+ members is still loads fo targets to kill Or if you want a real battle make it your task in life to kill off BL or PL (Sorry guys just the first names that came to mind) Plenty of targets out there The plan was to kick test out of fountain and take it for the cfc. Test might still have 8k members but they're spent right now. They barely put up a fight at their peak. TEST is defeated. The number of EVE characters still in their EVE guild doesn't really mean anything. Brings up a good point... what decided that? The simple loss of systems? That's not a war, that's just an operation. Like iraqi freedom. If you want a WAR, pick up that dropped gauntlet and finish what you started. It was decided that TEST was defeated when they publicly announced that they had lost the war; it was decided that TEST was defeated when they withdrew from both Fountain and Delve; it was decided that TEST was defeated when they withdrew from the theater and stopped showing up to fight us. We are no longer at war with TEST. The conflict is over. We may at some point in the future be at war with them again, but a simple look at the killboards for our respective alliances shows that we are no longer killing each other very much. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:46:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Seems Eve-O is back to screaming for someone (but not me, for erm, just someone, kk) to ruin the CFC's empire so they can leap around and pretend the schadenfreude they get from it is actual, meaningful happiness.
Or at least that's what I assume when someone makes over 30 posts about it in a day. Uh oh... some internal strife?! Fight fight fight! He was talking about you. What internal strife is there in him calling you out? Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Lyris Nairn
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:49:00 -
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Joepopo wrote:Murk Paradox wrote:Joepopo wrote:Just popping to remind all that the CFC is a big ball of blues.
Our empire in null sec is the most stable, most safe place in all 0.0.
TNT has the record for the longest sov and Goonswarm has been in deklein for close to 4 years now.
This is why the CFC rental program is the best available in all 0.0. There is nowhere in space where exploration is as safe and profitable as here. But, but... ... War? We weren't invaded lately. I have no idea what war could prevent our renter from doing their business in our sovereign space. If you are refering about high sec logistic and people declaring war to pop us in jita, we have a group of dedicated people in NPC corp taking care of all of this. Why goons continue to go to Jita on in-corp characters is beyond me. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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Posted - 2013.08.30 13:50:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Rhes wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nobody cares to invest RL years into forming the "Goons destroyer alliance" any more Untrue. The N3 coalition was formed to destroy goons. That's what progodlegend said, but apparently in their last fight against us, NCdot was only there because They were there because there was a war on, and wars mean action. They said it themselves, that Fountain was where the action was and accordingly that's why they were there. They wanted a target rich environment and other content elements that a war readily provides. Sky Captain of Your Heart Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM8 |
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